{"id":5480,"date":"2026-04-13T13:37:18","date_gmt":"2026-04-13T11:37:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/xesc.mardones.ovh\/?p=5480"},"modified":"2026-04-08T09:50:06","modified_gmt":"2026-04-08T07:50:06","slug":"jorge-riechmann-lluita-per-no-perdre-la-nostra-humanitat-en-el-maelstrom-de-la-digitalitzacio-i-la-ia","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/xesc.mardones.ovh\/?p=5480","title":{"rendered":"Entrevista a Jorge Riechmann: \u00abLluito per no perdre la nostra humanitat en el maelstrom de la digitalitzaci\u00f3 i la IA\u00bb."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Jorge Riechmann, llicenciat en matem\u00e0tiques, per\u00f2 reorientat a la filosofia, amb la poesia sempre al centre, va ser un dels ponents del darrer Congr\u00e9s Nacional d&#8217;Educaci\u00f3 Ambiental. Ens convida a reflexionar sobre com fer front a la crisi ecol\u00f2gica i social. El voleu con\u00e8ixer?<\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><strong><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Recientemente has participado en el Congreso Nacional de Educaci\u00f3n Ambiental. \u00bfQu\u00e9 experiencia te llevas?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Ense\u00f1amos, intentamos transmitir, pero no para engendrar disc\u00edpulos sino para formar autodidactas: personas capaces de autoconstrucci\u00f3n y autonom\u00eda, habituadas a pensar con su propia cabeza. Fue para m\u00ed muy grato dialogar en el Congreso con gente que, creo, comparte esta orientaci\u00f3n.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><strong><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">De todas las publicaciones que citaste en tu charla durante el CNEA, \u00bfcu\u00e1l no podemos perdernos?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Un libro importante que cit\u00e9 en aquella charla inaugural es <\/span><em><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Sin transici\u00f3n<\/span><\/em><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">, de Jean-Baptiste Fressoz (2024). Muy adecuado para reflexional -sin anteojeras- sobre transiciones energ\u00e9ticas. Por lo dem\u00e1s, las notas de base de mi charla est\u00e1n en <a href=\"http:\/\/tratarde.org\">mi blog<\/a>, en la entrada titulada: <\/span><a class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\" draggable=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/tratarde.org\/algunas-ideas-sobre-educacion-ecosocial\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u00abAlgunas ideas sobre educaci\u00f3n ecosocial\u00bb<\/a><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><strong><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Si aceptamos que los humanos somos holobiontes y que la Tierra es un planeta profundamente simbi\u00f3tico, \u00bfqu\u00e9 cambios concretos deber\u00edamos asumir para reinsertarnos de forma no destructiva en esta trama de vida?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">\u00a1Dif\u00edcil responder en pocas palabras! En la charla reci\u00e9n evocada di algunas claves (m\u00e1s bien consignas): no educaci\u00f3n ambiental funcional en el capitalismo, sino educaci\u00f3n ecosocial anticapitalista, decrecentista y pacifista. No una escuela\/instituto\/universidad para generar lealtades al Estado y al Mercado, sino el compromiso con los objetivos de una humanidad libre y justa en una Tierra habitable. Para bajar al detalle, os remito a mi libro <\/span><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\"><em>Otras sendas. Ideas para un programa ecosocialista<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><strong><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">\u00bfC\u00f3mo imaginas en 2050? \u00bfTodav\u00eda ser\u00e1 necesaria la educaci\u00f3n ambiental?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Por desgracia, s\u00ed&#8230; El novelista y ensayista H.G. Wells escribi\u00f3 una frase que he recordado muchas veces: \u00abLa historia humana es una carrera entre la educaci\u00f3n y la cat\u00e1strofe\u00bb. De momento va ganando la cat\u00e1strofe.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><strong><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">\u00bfC\u00f3mo superar la desconexi\u00f3n de las personas con la naturaleza en entornos urbanos?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">S\u00f3lo dos indicaciones. La primera: necesitamos renaturalizar en todas partes; tambi\u00e9n en los campos de cultivo, y de forma decidida, impulsar procesos de <\/span><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">rewilding<\/span><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\"> en nuestros pueblos y ciudades. La segunda: debemos apostar por los huertos urbanos. Si cuidar un huerto \u2014que, en realidad, es dejar que el huerto cuide de nosotros\u2014 fuese una obligaci\u00f3n c\u00edvica, quiz\u00e1s regulada por ley, \u00bfresolver\u00edamos la crisis ecol\u00f3gica? Robin Wall Kimmerer con <\/span><em><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Una trenza de hierba sagrada<\/span><\/em><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">, y Kois (Jos\u00e9 Luis Fdez. Casadevante) con sus <\/span><em><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Huertop\u00edas<\/span><\/em><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">, responder\u00edan que s\u00ed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><strong><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Tenemos un gran reto: conectar con la juventud en una tem\u00e1tica a menudo trillada y con tintes catastrofistas. \u00bfCu\u00e1l es tu estrategia para activar a este colectivo?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"cvGsUA direction-ltr align-justify para-style-body\"><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Max Jacob sugiri\u00f3 en la primera frase del libro <\/span><em><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">Consejos a un joven poeta<\/span><\/em><span class=\"a_GcMg font-feature-liga-off font-feature-clig-off font-feature-calt-off text-decoration-none text-strikethrough-none\">: \u201cYo abrir\u00eda una escuela de vida interior, y escribir\u00eda en la puerta: Escuela de arte\u201d. Tambi\u00e9n se podr\u00eda escribir \u201cEscuela de sustentabilidad\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00bfEn tu opini\u00f3n, debemos jugar al juego de las redes \u00abnocivas\u00bb o intoxicadoras para contrarestar el discurso consumista?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Es una batalla perdida, pero a veces hay que seguir peleando tras las batallas perdidas. Necesitar\u00edamos <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">redes sociales <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">que de verdad lo fueran (lo que tenemos ahora son casi exclusivamente megaempresas transnacionales con feroz \u00e1nimo de lucro y objetivos de control social capilar, que est\u00e1n degradando enormemente nuestra convivencia democr\u00e1tica), de car\u00e1cter p\u00fablico-comunitario. Todo un enorme trabajo por hacer\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Te conviertes en Ministro de Medio Ambiente. \u00bfQu\u00e9 harias con los primeros 100 millones de euros de presupuesto?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Una intensa campa\u00f1a de <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">agitprop,<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> puerta a puerta,<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">para tratar de convencer a la ciudadan\u00eda de la necesidad de socializar la banca privada y las empresas energ\u00e9ticas.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-5483\" src=\"https:\/\/xesc.mardones.ovh\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/Ubik-Cafe-Valencia-18-de-octubre-de-2023-foto-Marta-Beltran-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"312\" height=\"416\" 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